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Offline astateofmind

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« Reply #765 on: 23 December 2020, 06:20 »
Sunt curios cum calculeaza acel 70% in plus ...

Adica daca ma scuipa unul cu corona in fata, am sanse cu vechiul virus de 40% sa-l iau iar cu noul de 68%? Sau cum?
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Offline Nosferat

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« Reply #766 on: 23 December 2020, 07:31 »
Tocmai aia mentionasem, nu se stie EXACT.  Se presupune ca ar fi cu 70% mai transmisibila,dar nu sunt date specifice pentru asta.  S-a dat cu presupusul,de unde politicienii au interpretat total gresit,de unde presa a mai umflat si a repetat incontinuu acelasi rahat, aceasta "noua tulpina" e din septembrie.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/business/money-report/5-things-to-know-about-the-new-covid-strain-spreading-in-the-u-k/2795783/?amp

"The U.K. has said the variant could be up to 70% more transmissible than the original strain of the virus.

Based on early data from the U.K., the new strain could "potentially be more rapidly transmissible than other circulating strains," the CDC said.

Maria Van Kerkhove, head of the WHO's emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, said Monday that U.K. officials estimate that the mutation has caused an increase in the reproductive rate of the virus from 1.1 to 1.5. That means that each person infected with the variant is estimated to infect another 1.5 people."

Astea sunt numai presupusuri, estimari...etc. Dar niciunde nu vede omul o dovada clara si concreta.


Isteria si panica asta cu tulpina noua imi aduce aminte de tspe declaratii vazute anterior prin presa. Vin niste baieti,fac ceva experimentari, parca-parca e de bine la tratamentul impotriva cancerului pe soareci, au avut o bucatica mica de succes dupa ani si ani de chinuri. Vine unul de la ceva ziar,gazeta.....ia un interviu, astia declara ca "da in testele preliminare am vazut niste lucruri bune, putem fi un pic optimisti la acest capitol,speram ca undeva in urmatorii 10 ani sa avem si daca nu un leac,macar o speranta  pentru cei care sufera de acest tip de cancer".

 La 3 zile dupa,absolut toata presa "Adio cancer,s-a descoperit leacul pentru cancer, putem in sfarsit respira linistiti,cercetatorii de la Cambridge au gasit leacul pentru cancer si in curand nu va mai suferi nimeni pe pamant"
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Offline oldshooterman

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« Reply #767 on: 23 December 2020, 15:35 »
Treaba e foarte confuza din cauza interpretarilor din presa... Pe multi redactori nu prea ii duce capul in multe situatii.
De ex.: Indignare în Franța din cauza unui proiect de lege care condiționează libertatea de mişcare de efectuarea unui vaccin

Printre altele scrie ca: "Într-un mod perfid, acest text intenţionează nu să facă vaccinul obligatoriu, ci să împiedice orice viaţă socială pentru persoanele care nu-l vor face.”

Dar mai scrie si ca:
 "...premierul poate, dacă este necesar (...) să condiţioneze deplasările persoanelor, accesul lor la mijloace de transport sau la anumite locuri, precum şi exercitarea anumitor activităţi de prezentarea rezultatelor unui test de depistare care stabileşte că persoana nu este afectată sau contaminată în urma unui tratament preventiv, inclusiv a administrării unui vaccin, sau a unui tratament curativ”.

Asta sugereaza ca daca faci un vaccin si lucrurile evolueaza nasol, se pot interzice drepturi din cauza asta... Adica daca nu faci vaccin pierzi drepturi, daca faci vaccin si iese nasol tot pierzi drepturi, adica orice faci poti sa pierzi drepturi!...
 

Offline axxel4you

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« Reply #768 on: 23 December 2020, 18:55 »
Trebuie sa ne vaccinam ca altfel da faliment big pharma. Dupa fix un an nu stim exact unde a fost bucatarit virusul. Apar vaccinuri, tulpini noi, sper naiba sa nu ajungem la ebola sau mai stiu eu ce virus periculos la cum evolueaza lucrurile.
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Offline Nosferat

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« Reply #769 on: 23 December 2020, 19:54 »
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1341613116266860545.html

"Belarus President Aleksandr Lukashenko said via Belarusian Telegraph Agency, BEITA, that the World Bank and IMF offered him a bribe of $940 million United States Dollars in the form of "Covid Relief Aid" on condition that he do the following"  "Impose an "extreme lockdown on his people ,force them to wear face masks. Impose very strict curfews,impose a police state, crash the economy.

I don't know, poate fi pe bune,poate fi ceva conspiratie....nu detin destul info sa ma arunc in ceva opinie, in orice caz acu cateva luni circulau niste zvonuri despre asta,si despre faptul ca desi exista si acolo destula coruptie,isi bagasera mana si alti papusari din spate si au inceput sa agite apele cu acele proteste.
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Offline astateofmind

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« Reply #770 on: 23 December 2020, 20:29 »
Nu aveau cum sa-i ofere LUI personal un bribe de 940 mil$ cu pretextul respectiv.

E bullshit.
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Offline Nosferat

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« Reply #771 on: 23 December 2020, 21:38 »
https://taiwanenglishnews.com/pharmaceutical-factory-on-fire-after-explosion-2-injured/

Cica asta era al doilea cel mai mare furnizor de  Hydroxycloroquine.

"The Liberty Times reported that SCI Pharmtech’s factory produces active pharmaceutical ingredients for the production of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) and is the second largest supplier of HCQ raw material in the world."

Post Merge: 24 December 2020, 18:29
Barbara Yaffe  and chief medical officer Dr. David Williams.    Ce altceva ar mai fi de spus...sau scris.


https://files.catbox.moe/rfec4l.mp4
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Offline Nosferat

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« Reply #772 on: 25 December 2020, 10:54 »
....mda        https://twitter.com/_whitneywebb/status/1341501368545239046

"The source behind the claim that a new COVID-19 strain in the UK is 70% more transmissible, Dr. Erik Volz, admits that the model that produced that statistic is flawed and that it is “too early to tell” if the strain is more easily spread."
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Offline Cylix

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« Reply #773 on: 25 December 2020, 20:20 »
Da, se pare ca varianta asta isi face de cap si prin Germania, de aia avem aici peste 20.000 de cazuri pe zi de vreo luna de zile. Matusa sotiei mele e manager intr-un azil de batrani in Munchen, mi-a zis ca e prapad pe la ei, au ajuns sa se testeze de doua ori pe zi lucratorii, odata la inceput de schimb si odata la sfarsit de schimb..
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Offline oldshooterman

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« Reply #774 on: 25 December 2020, 20:33 »
Se mai investigheaza aparitia unei mutatii serioase si in Nigeria.

“It’s a separate lineage from the UK and the South African lineages.” John Nkengasong, director of The Africa Centres for Disease Control and Prevention
 

Offline Nosferat

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« Reply #775 on: 26 December 2020, 11:54 »
""AS PART OF OUR LEGAL ACTION we had been demanding the evidence that this virus actually exists [as well as] evidence that lockdowns actually have any impact on the spread of viruses; that face-masks are safe, and do deter the spread of viruses - They don%u2019t. No such studies exist; that social distancing is based in science - It isn't. it's made up; that contact tracing has any bearing on the spread of a virus - of course it doesn't. This organisation here - is making it up as they go along." - Gemma O'Doherty

Originally streamed live from the office of Tony Holohan Chief Medical Officer of Ireland."



https://www.bitchute.com/video/9IbspR8lpNR9/


Deci nu reptilieni,nu "I can't breathe" si alte minuni, ci persoane care doresc fapte,doresc adevarul.
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Offline oldshooterman

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« Reply #776 on: 26 December 2020, 13:41 »
Existenta virusului nu e pusa la indoiala de nici un om intreg la cap. Virusul exista, pandemia exista, izolarea sociala si purtarea mastilor sunt demonstrate ca fiind benefice si efective in combaterea raspandirii bolii. Virusul a fost izolat, i se cunoaste complet structura grenetica si s-au facut o gramada de studii complexe despre toata povestea.

Hai sa ne limitam la vaccinuri si la problemele legate de ele...
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“8 countries in the @WHO_Europe region have now identified the new #COVID19 variant VOC-202012/01." (Hans Kluge, WHO's Regional Director for Europe)

De remarcat: “Varianta pare, de asemenea, să se răspândească printre grupele de vârstă mai tinere spre deosebire de tulpinile anterioare."
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Offline Nosferat

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« Reply #777 on: 26 December 2020, 14:07 »
Lucrurile nu sunt chiar asa de simple,hai sa nu ne batem joc de oameni si sa ii punem pe toti in aceeasi oala.

"Gemma O%u2019Doherty is a multi award-winning journalist whose work has shone a light on some of the darkest corners of Irish life. Former Chief Features writer at the Irish Independent, where she worked for almost 20 years, she has exposed many cases of murder and child sexual abuse that have been covered up by An Garda Siochana and the State."

 Persoana aia nu a venit sa iti spuna despre oculta mondiala,a cerut dovezi clare si concrete nu altceva. Masurile luate in fiecare tara sunt tot mai dure,de multe ori ilogice si tot mai mult limiteaza libertatea si drepturile fiecaruia, nu vad absolut nimic rau in a lua autoritatile la intrebari.  A cerut dovezi nu doar despre virus, mai despre toate masurile luate pana acuma,gen lockdowns si eficacitatea lor,distantarea sociala,vaccin etc,etc.

https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

Pagina 43.

Since no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV were available for CDC use at the time the test was developed and this study conducted, assays designed for detection of the 2019-nCoV RNA were tested with characterized stocks of in vitro transcribed full length RNA (N gene; GenBank accession: MN908947.2) of known titer (RNA copies/%u03BCL) spiked into a diluent consisting of a suspension of human A549 cells and viral transport medium (VTM) to mimic clinical specimen.

Cuvintele cheie fiind, "Since no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV were available for CDC use at the time the test was developed and this study conducted".  Adica CDC-ul a scos un ditamai document,dar de fapt esenta e ca la momentul testarii nu au avut un virus pe care sa testeze. Adica nu au detinut virusul. Exact lucrul la care se referea si acea femeie cand a dorit raspunsuri la niste intrebari.

Ati izolat virusul? Exista? Dati niste dovezi,niste analize de laborator,niste chestii sa stim si noi,sa stim ca putem avea incredere in autoritati si ca voi chiar stiti ce faceti cand luati decizii pentru noi restul.
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Offline taribo

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« Reply #778 on: 26 December 2020, 14:27 »
Existenta virusului nu e pusa la indoiala de nici un om intreg la cap. Virusul exista, pandemia exista, izolarea sociala si purtarea mastilor sunt demonstrate ca fiind benefice si efective in combaterea raspandirii bolii. Virusul a fost izolat, i se cunoaste complet structura grenetica si s-au facut o gramada de studii complexe despre toata povestea.

Hai sa ne limitam la vaccinuri si la problemele legate de ele...
...................................................
“8 countries in the @WHO_Europe region have now identified the new #COVID19 variant VOC-202012/01." (Hans Kluge, WHO's Regional Director for Europe)

De remarcat: “Varianta pare, de asemenea, să se răspândească printre grupele de vârstă mai tinere spre deosebire de tulpinile anterioare."

Orice om intreg la cap isi pune intrebari si cere dovezi, ca tu sau altcineva alege sa creada fara sa cerceteze e problema lui dar asta nu e semn de sanatate mintala. Ce se cunoaste despre virus sunt pana acum doar povesti, eu n`am vazut decat prostii debitate cu siguranta de diversi care au fost apoi infirmate de realitate si cam asta e problema in momentul de fata, faptul ca nimic nu e batut in cuie iar "masurile" au efect minim.
 

Offline oldshooterman

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« Reply #779 on: 26 December 2020, 15:54 »
Gasiti dovezi usor de tot. Ex.: Variant of Concern 202012/01

Estimated transmissibility and severityof novel SARS-CoV-2 Variant of Concern 202012/01 in England

Cine vrea dovezi? Tocmai cei ca nu-s in stare sa inteleaga nimic din toata povestea.