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Offline axxel4you

AMD Navi GPU & Nextgen Architecture
« Reply #210 on: 25 April 2019, 00:03 »
Iarasi au uitat de Async Compute .... macar ai inteles ce e ala Low level graphics Api http://asawicki.info/news_1601_lower-level_graphics_api_-_what_does_it_mean.html .
   Atata timp cat Nvidia are grija ca pentru fiecare joc sa optimizeze drivere inseamna ca performanta placilor in jocuri este stabilita de ei in functie de ce au nevoie sa vanda. Tot ce inseamna Nvidia este blocat si controlat de ei, daca ei stabilesc ca in jocurile noi placile lor generatie veche nu au voie sa primeasca optimizari, placa indiferent daca are sau nu resurse sa duca jocul ala perfect nu va avea posibiltatea ca este blocata din driveri, sau cum vreti voi sa-i ziceti nu a primit optimizari .
    Low level api daca nu este blocat din drivere poate sa utilizeze placa video la maxim indiferent cand a fost produsa .
      Cum o sa iasa un update de drivere RTX 2080 Ti o sa ajunga unde trebuie in ierarhie asta daca nu cumva au uitat iarasi de Async Compute.
   
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« Reply #211 on: 25 April 2019, 00:22 »
Async Compute n-are nici o treaba cu Tensor Cores de care te-ai agatat in postul anterior.
 

Offline Trustme

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« Reply #212 on: 25 April 2019, 11:22 »
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 Atata timp cat Nvidia are grija ca pentru fiecare joc sa optimizeze drivere inseamna ca performanta placilor in jocuri este stabilita de ei in functie de ce au nevoie sa vanda. Tot ce inseamna Nvidia este blocat si controlat de ei, daca ei stabilesc ca in jocurile noi placile lor generatie veche nu au voie sa primeasca optimizari, placa indiferent daca are sau nu resurse sa duca jocul ala perfect nu va avea posibiltatea ca este blocata din driveri, sau cum vreti voi sa-i ziceti nu a primit optimizari .
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Aberezi la greu si nu-i frumos.
Nvidia are suport foarte bun pentru produsele sale, dar tie iti place sa bati campii.
Seria Fermi, care nativ avea suport DirectX11, a primit suport DirectX12 dupa cativa ani de la lansare, iar seria Pascal a primit suport DXR la aproape 4 ani de la lansare.
Tie de ce nu-ti da AMD suport DXR pentru arhitectura asta minune care se descurca atat de glorios cu al ei Async Compute?
« Last Edit: 25 April 2019, 11:27 by Trustme »
 

Offline skerbyte

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« Reply #213 on: 25 April 2019, 11:47 »
Async Compute? Pare sa fi apărut pe vremea când AMD lansa pe PS4 si xbox, GPU-ul lor. Daca va uitați, ei după un parteneriat unde oferă resurse hardware, au si parteneriate unde ofera sprijin pentru software-ul lor. Deci la pachet hardware+software. Problema AMD-ului este ca numai pe console au reușit sa obțină acele parteneriate datorita user-base-ului, oferă si sprijin low level api. Mantle trebuia sa se propulseze pe PC, dar nu a facut-o, ce sa facem daca Average Joe cumpara gtx 1050 (ti) și nu RX 570, 580? (faza cu steam survey). Singurul titlu in care se vede performanta software+hardware bine pusa la punct, cred ca este Tomb Raider, apoi a mai fost Alien isolation, pe care puteai juca pe ultra la rezoluții mai mici de laptop si pe un intel hd 520. -> ceva asemănător https://www.techspot.com/review/903-alien-isolation-benchmarks/page2.html
« Last Edit: 25 April 2019, 12:12 by skerbyte »
 

Offline axxel4you

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« Reply #214 on: 25 April 2019, 13:36 »
@Trustme, Multumesc ca mi-ai confirmat ce am scris, daca au chef iti ofera suport, daca nu au chef ramai cu o placa video puternica care nu mai functioneaza. Intrebarea era de ce nu lasa Low level Graphics Api sa functioneze cum trebuie pe placile lor video si este neaparata nevoie de optimizari in functie de cum au chef sau cum le dicteaza vanzarile la seriile noi de placi video. Treaba cu DXR pe Pascal este doar pentru a dovedi ca placile GTX sunt foarte proaste si trebuie sa faceti upgrade din nou, peste un an iarasi upgrade, peste inca un an iarasi upgrade ...
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Offline skerbyte

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« Reply #215 on: 27 April 2019, 13:14 »
Nivelul problemei este faptul ca tehnologiile chiar inovatoare se vad odată la x ani si niciunul din producători nu reușește sa acapareze o audienta considerabila încât sa devina mainstream feature-ul lor, cum este acum 1080p, dar nu 4k... Personal aștept inovații din partea Apple si Intel, in 2021-2022 si a noilor console.

BREAKING:
"This level of performance with the improvements under the hood courtesy of the Navi GPU architecture, we can expect what I've reported on before - - GeForce RTX 2080 levels of performance."


Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/65712/amds-new-navi-gpu-teased-leaked-pcb-board-gddr6/index.html
« Last Edit: 27 April 2019, 13:24 by skerbyte »
 

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« Reply #216 on: 27 April 2019, 13:59 »
Alimentarea cu 2x8-pin sugereaza ca nu reusesc sa obtina un consum redus nici pe 7nm.

 

Offline gyorg

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« Reply #217 on: 27 April 2019, 15:19 »
Sau ca e un pcb de teste? Nah, sigur va fi 2x8 pini, yep
 

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Offline axxel4you

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« Reply #219 on: 28 April 2019, 17:52 »
Microsoft, Sony si Google apreciaza arhitectura GCN, probabil ca raportul consum / performanta este foarte bun daca Google vrea sa porneasca serviciul Stadia cu AMD .
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Offline skerbyte

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« Reply #220 on: 28 April 2019, 21:01 »
Microsoft, Sony si Google apreciaza arhitectura GCN, probabil ca raportul consum / performanta este foarte bun daca Google vrea sa porneasca serviciul Stadia cu AMD .

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4250823-google-stadia-can-game-changer-implications-amd-intel-nvidia
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We believe there are several key reasons for AMD's success:

AMD does not compete with these service providers whereas Nvidia does. Naturally, game service providers are likely to be more inclined to work with AMD than their competitor.
AMD has had deep partnerships with Microsoft, Sony, and now Google in developing its gaming chips. This creates compelling chip level advantages for AMD.
AMD has traditionally priced its chip at lower price points than Nvidia, which makes AMD solutions more attractive for massive cloud scale deployments.
AMD has also likely benefited from being an early adopter of technologies such as 7nm and PCIe 4.0. These technologies make AMD incrementally more competitive.
And, finally, not many investors are aware that AMD's Vega architecture can be a very power efficient architecture for data centers (market reputation of Vega being high power has to do with consumer versions).

Pentru ca este AMD... for the ''populism'' ;D
Stiu ei, cei mentionati,  ceva legat de... 7nm
« Last Edit: 28 April 2019, 21:10 by skerbyte »
 

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« Reply #222 on: 06 May 2019, 00:10 »
Zvonuri foarte nasoale, dar in concordanta cu tot ce s-a intamplat in ultimii ani...

"AMD Navi 20 Missing GPU Clock Targets, Rumor Alleges – Thermals and Powers Reportedly Very Bad" (wccftech)

"One thing we saw with the Vega 20 was that while AMD improved the clock speeds by a good margin, the overall power consumption wasn’t as good as what the industry had expected from 7nm. The competition with its 12nm node fairs much better in terms of power and efficiency numbers compared to 7nm based Vega 20 and that’s mostly due to the architectural side of things. We know from the latest reports that Navi is still built upon the GCN foundations and until that changes, much of the power and efficiency numbers would remain pretty much the same but with minor clock and IPC uplifts."

"...The report says that early Navi samples are not even able to match Vega 20 clock speeds and the Navi GPUs which can meet the frequency targets are reportedly facing major thermal and power consumption issues. We heard similar rumors for the Vega 10 and Vega 20 parts before they launched and those rumors turned out to be very close to the real image when the cards finally landed into consumer’s hands."
 

Offline skerbyte

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« Reply #223 on: 06 May 2019, 17:57 »
"AMD is reportedly getting the Radeon RX 3080 XT ready for E3 2019 with its Navi 10 GPU on the 7nm node, with what should be 8GB of GDDR6 memory. The Navi 10 GPU will, according to the new leaks, feature 56 compute units from the Navi 10 GPU on a 190W TDP and provide performance close to NVIDIA's Turing-based GeForce RTX 2070. All of this will reportedly launch for $330 which would be a game changer.

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/65812/amds-new-radeon-rx-3080-xt-rtx-2070-performance-330/index.html"

La 2060, sau cel putin la 1660 mai trebuia tăiat nițel din prețul la care se clasează momentan.
« Last Edit: 06 May 2019, 17:59 by skerbyte »
 

Online oldshooterman

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« Reply #224 on: 07 May 2019, 00:06 »
All of this will reportedly launch for $330 which would be a game changer.
Povesti: "Navi series will be cheaper than the Radeon VII desktop graphics card, which had a launch price of US$699."

Adica si 670$ e ceva mai ieftin decat 699$, fara sa fie 330$. Poti sa uiti de performanta la nivel de RTX 2070, la pret de 330$.